Vance Cut From Same Chauvinistic, Racist Cloth Of Trump, Really Weird
Sen. JD Vance, R-Ohio, trump’s vice-presidential running mate, explains that his mentor meets with white supremacists and anti-Semites to show that trump is willing to meet with anyone because he is open-minded.
The same must go for Vance, who in past years has met with far out, cringe-worthy fringe personalities who make the people who have befriended trump seem almost normal.
Two days before Thanksgiving 2022, trump met for dinner at his Mar-a-Lago club with Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West who made much publicized pro-Nazi and anti-Semitic comments and Nick Fuentes, a notorious white supremacist.
Many were highly critical of trump’s meeting with Ye and Fuentes, especially in light of trump’s history of minimizing white supremacists as he did when he said famously that there were “good people” on both sides at the violent, Unite the Right rally by neo-Nazis on Aug. 11–12, 2017, in Charlottesville, Va.
Vance talked about trump’s willingness to get together with far right personalities in a television interview on Aug. 11, 2024, coincidentally the seventh anniversary of the Charlottesville demonstration where neo-Nazis marched and carried torches and one counter-demonstrator was killed.
“The one thing I like about Donald Trump is that he actually will talk to anybody. But just because you talk to somebody doesn’t mean you endorse their views,” said Vance.
Vance could have been rationalizing about his own history of cavorting with some very unsavory far right polemicists. One glaring example was his 2021 appearance on a podcast with Jack Murphy, a self-professed anti-feminist follower of the manosphere, in which he wrote in a 2015 blog that “feminists need rape.”
The manosphere includes websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism. They include men’s rights activists, incels (involuntary celibates), “Men Going Their Own Way” (MGTOW), Pick-Up Artists (PUA) and fathers’ rights groups. The groups are generally united in the belief that society is biased against men due to the influence of feminism, and that feminists promote misandry, or hatred of men.
“Men Going Their Own Way” is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and society, which they believe has been corrupted by feminism. The community is a part of the manosphere and like other manosphere communities, it overlaps with the neoreactionary alt-right movement and has been implicated in online harassment of women. The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes “Men Going Their Own Way” as a part of the male supremacist ideology.
Incel is a term associated with an online subculture of mostly white, male and heterosexual people who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. The subculture’s attitude can be characterized by resentment, hostility, sexual objectification, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, sense of entitlement to sex, blaming of women and the sexually successful for their situation, nihilism, rape culture, and the endorsement of sexual and non-sexual violence against women and the sexually active. Incel communities have been increasingly criticized by scholars, government officials, and others for their misogyny, the endorsement and encouragement of violence, and extremism.
“Pickup artists” (PUA) are people whose goals are seduction and sexual success. Predominantly heterosexual men, they often self-identify as the seduction community or the pickup community. The community exists through various channels, including internet newsletters, blogs, seminars and one-on-one coaching, forums, groups, and local clubs known as “lairs.”
The subculture has become associated with extremism and terrorism, and since 2014 there have been multiple mass killings, mostly in North America, perpetrated by self-identified incels, as well as other instances of violence or attempted violence. The Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as “part of the online male supremacist ecosystem” that is included in their list of hate groups.
In 2018, the Southern Poverty Law Center or CPLC added male supremacy as a category they track on their list of hate groups. The British anti-extremism group Hope not Hate included the manosphere in its 2019 State of Hate report.
Vance has repeated some of the manosphere’s beliefs, including that American women should have children at the right age without becoming childless adults “where women are forced to fill the emotional void with cats.” After the Supreme Court overturned the Roe v. Wade decision, Vance said women should prefer to become mothers rather than to pursue professions. He also once agreed that taking care of grandchildren is “the whole purpose of the post-menopausal female.”
Murphy, whose real name is John Goldman, is a blogger, and podcast host whose writings have been described as misogynist, racist, and affiliated with the alt-right. In January 2018, it was publicly revealed that Jack Murphy was actually John Goldman, and that he was a senior manager of finance for the D.C. Public Charter School Board. Goldman was discharged because his proximity to the alt-right and manosphere resulted in calls for his firing. Photos also surfaced of him at parties with known neo-nazis and white supremacists,
Goldman often wrote about the benefits of masculinity and the drawbacks of feminism, declaring in a 2015 post that “feminists need rape” and that “It is our duty as men to save feminists from themselves. Therefore, I am offering rape to feminists as an olive branch. Rape is the best therapy for the problem. Feminists need rape.”
“Men have a natural tendency towards dominance and women to passivity and submission,” Murphy wrote in 2015. “I assure you, behind even the most ardent feminist facade is a deep desire to be dominated and even degraded.”
In another article from the same year, Goldman recounted his experiences as a cuckold, defined as the husband of an adulterous wife. He also wrote that he had “sex slaves, little girls, and tied them all up.”
It was reported in December 2021 that Goldman had admitted to producing amateur pornography, performing in homosexual solo acts as well as scenes with his girlfriend, and streaming it on the internet.
Goldman posted in 2017 about the alleged rape of a 14-year-old Maryland girl by two Central American immigrants. He blamed “sanctuary cities” like Rockville, Md., for welcoming “massive numbers of immigrants into their neighborhoods” and “defying the federal government.”
“However, the tragedy of a young girl getting raped in the bathroom at school just might be what turns the attention of limousine liberals from the brainwashing narrative of the Democrats and towards a more sane approach to immigration,” Goldman wrote. “Let’s just hope it will only take one, and not an epidemic of heinous crime to finally get those suburban soccer moms out of their denial and into the real world.”
In March 2017, charges were dropped against the 17- and 18-year-old Central American teens.
In a 2021 interview on the Goldman podcast, Vance used the 2002 film, “Gangs of New York,” to illustrate his xenophobic contention that immigrants create “ethnic enclaves” that foster higher crime rates. The film focuses on competing gangs of immigrants who settled on New York’s Lower East Side in the early part of the 20th century.
Vance also reiterated his views on limiting immigration, a centerpiece of the trump-vance campaign, in an Aug. 16 address to the Milwaukee Police Association.
Vance has been outspoken in support of trump’s plans to create concentration camps to house millions of immigrants targeted to be deported.
Vance spoke with Goldman for 90 minutes and discussed many issues including Vance’s support of trump’s plan to fire top and mid-level federal government employees so as to “deconstruct the administrative state” and destroy what Vance calls the “American leadership class” and to cleanse the nation of liberal influences. Vance said the project is similar to the de-Nazification of Germany after World War II.
“Rip out like a tumor the current American leadership class and then reinstall some sense of American political religion, some sense of shared values,” Vance said. “Conservatism has to be a counter-revolutionary force at this moment… We’re talking about replacing garbage elite culture with traditional American culture.”
Vance reflected what is included in a voluminous report outlining plans for a possible second trump administration, titled “Project 2025.” The report includes various far right plans, including ridding thousands of civil service employees and replacing them with trump loyalists. Trump has disavowed the report even though its authors include former trump officials and many supportive, right wing groups.
“I think what Trump should do is…fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” Vance said.
Civil servants cannot legally be summarily fired but Vance said that trump should ignore and contravene the law.
“When the courts — because you will be taken to court — and when the courts stop you, stand before the country, like Andrew Jackson did, and say the chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it,” Vance said.
Vance was referring to President Andrew Jackson’s refusal to accept an 1832 Supreme Court decision that impeded the ability of state and federal governments to steal land from indigenous people and forcibly remove them from their territories.
In 2019, Goldman founded the online organization, The Liminal Order, a men-only group with a monthly $99 membership fee. The organization claims to help men to cultivate “healthy masculinity” through networking and to build generational wealth.[
Goldman was a 2021 Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute, a far right, conservative think tank that was a strong supporter of trump. John Eastman, a senior fellow at the institute, has been indicted for his efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election.
Goldman’s podcast ran from 2018 to 2022 and featured many far right figures including Vance, Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec and a blogger who goes by the name of Bronze Age Pervert (BAP).
Cernovich is a right wing media personality known for promoting fake news, conspiracy theories, and smear campaigns. He helped spread the Pizzagate conspiracy theory, which falsely claimed that John Podesta and other high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child-sex ring.
Posobiec, a far right activist and a strong trump supporter, has used white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory. He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory. He also was a promoter of the Stop the Steal movement in which trump claimed his 2020 reelection was “stolen” through widespread voter fraud which was never corroborated.
BAP, with more than 100,000 followers on Twitter, is written by Costin Vlad Alamariu, a Romanian-American with a PhD from Yale University. He wrote the “Bronze Age Mindset,” a 2018 manifesto in favor of far right positions, including nude sunbathing and that people to join the armed forces in preparation for the onset of military rule.
The “Bronze Age Mindset” is described in reviews as “a curious mix of philosophical analysis, polemic and lifestyle advice all in the service of the argument that embracing one’s authentic masculine virtue is the only way to conquer ‘lower types of mankind’ and root out the worst parts of democracy.”
The book caught the attention of right wing followers, including Vance and Michael Anton, a conservative who was a spokesman for trump’s National Security Council. Anton wrote a lengthy review of the book and warned, “In the spiritual war for the hearts and minds of the disaffected youth on the right, conservatism is losing. BAP-ism is winning.”
The 200-page book has a dedicated cult following in right-wing political circles as it critiques contemporary Western society, denigrating homosexuality, Judiasm, Islam and feminism. The book describes social justice as “disgusting parasitism,” claims that women who succeed in traditionally male domains are “spiritual lesbians” and that the U.S. intelligence services employ too many Mormons.
Right wing politicians who have interacted with the BAP on Twitter include former White House speechwriter Darren Beattie, Minnesota GOP state senator Roger Chamberlain, and far right U.S. Senate candidate Lauren Witzke from Delaware. Technology billionaire Peter Thiel, a powerful trump and Vance backer, also has referenced to BAP in speeches to conservative audiences.